President’s AGM Report
It may very well be the case I will go down in the annuls of DAC as the
first President to be elected, and to stand down, in absentia. Despite my
workload outside of DAC increasing exponentially, the committee members have
all taken on responsibility for various aspects of club affairs and we’ve
been able to progress towards a better, more inclusive club.
At the beginning of the year, I presented to the committee my goals against
which I’d like the clubs success measured.
- a stable or increasing membership base
- current members continuing interest in aeromodelling
- increasing membership participation in aeromodelling at DAC
Considering these markers, I satisfied with what we’ve achieved through the
year, and I’m confident the year coming will continue to improve our members
It goes without saying, the fill and level work done on the area of our main
strip has been a pre-occupying project, and the relentless efforts in
communicating with council of our Secretary Grant must not go unmentioned.
Grant’s work with council has revealed a need for the club to progress in
our management strategies, a modern and progressive approach to which has
been adopted and is progressing under Dan’s leadership.
The Club Rules and Safety Guidelines adopted at the AGM last year have
served us well, and it is with some relief I can say they continue into
their second year unamended.
Mark and Cliff continue setting up Special Interest Workshops, so far
covering ‘Gold Wings Preparation’ and ‘Going Glo’ as a means to engaging
members into furthering their skillsets and I must thank them for the
efforts they’ve put into this initiative.
Training loads have continued to grow – and stands as one of our biggest
challenges into the new year. The more members we gain, the more training
that needs to be done a limited number of people. Alex and Mark, our
Training Reps on committee, have done a wonderful job proposing and
promoting solutions, and we continue to ask those willing and able to
participate in the welcoming and training of newcomers to make yourself
known particularly over the weekends. And, weekend after weekend, massive
effort is put in by Michael and Alex to train and promote DAC to new and
prospective members. Cliff likewise dedicates at least one weekday per week
to training pre-bronze wings members. The trainers are anchor of the club’s
objectives- it is the most valuable contribution you could make so please
step up if you’re interested in assisting.
To each and every member of the committee, thank-you for your commitment,
your input and efforts through the year. Grant, your wisdom and humour will
be missed and I thank-you particularly for the time you’ve dedicated. Thanks
also go to Adrian and Alex for the time and effort you’ve put into
progressing the club, and to the newcomers, welcome and thank-you for
volunteering your time.
DAC is a strong and vibrant club. Always there’s work to do, and we’ve
worked towards identifying and prioritising those needs.
In the meantime, the field is in better condition than it has been in a long
time and we’ll continue to work on improving it, the clubhouse likewise, and
our social events, fundraising and club merchandise are stronger than ever.
If nothing else, I hope the coming year brings you a wonderful year of
flying, an enjoyment of aeromodelling in whatever shape or form pleases you,
and a safe and friendly environment in which to partake.
President’s AGM Report
It was with great sadness barely a week after our last club
night that we witnessed the passing of Ian Pullar, Club President, on the
DAC was well represented at his ‘Celebration of Life’ held in
Richmond, and as seemed only right, a fitting tribute was held on the 9th
July here at the field.
Ian’s contribution to the club is best summed up by his desire for us all to
Be Safe, Fly Safe and Fly Well. Our ‘Day at the Field for Ian’ witnessed the
effect that mantra has had on us all – our strip is about as long as it used
to be wide, the trees are that much closer to the approaches and our pits
closer than ever to the flight line and yet we demonstrated an ability to
adapt and fly better than ever, not to mention having a load of fun in the
process, and raising a load of loot for the Royal Flying Doctors Service in
Twelve months ago, Ian presented his presidents report and expressed a wish
that by being more open and giving the membership the opportunity to be
heard we will be in a far better position to move forward. He listed good
communication, smooth administration and the opportunity to be heard as his
goals. He also made a list of what he figured our members wanted:
1. A place to fly;
2. It been in reasonable condition to be able to take off and land;
3. Good people around;
4. At the same time, a safe environment; and
5. The probability of continuance of the above.
In short, Ian wrote “All you really need is a decent paddock,
and some decent people!”
In the 3 years I’ve spent as Vice President, I’ve witnessed
Ian develop a momentum towards a more inclusive, more social and above all a
safety and skills orientated club. The beauty of momentum is once it’s
developed it only takes small inputs to have it continue on it’s merry way.
DAC is, and will continue to be, a place where aeromodellers of all genres
can gather and celebrate a love of aeromodelling. We have a facility that is
truly enviable, and a tenure on it we must preserve.
It is with this in mind, we’ve taken the time over the last twelve months to
comprehensively re-write the Club Safety Rules and Operating Guidelines to
give our membership greater freedom to operate a diverse range of equipment
whilst keeping their own safety and the safety of others at the forefront at
Our committee shares these goals, and their commitment to a safe and
inclusive club is reflected right through the membership. It is a great
relief to welcome them all back this year. To all of the committee, thank
you for your time and dedication to the club, and for the support I’ve
received in filling Ian’s shoes.
I need only conclude by repeating Ian’s words from last year.
“THANKYOU for all who have contributed, off committee, and all who have
contributed just by flying safely and being friendly, patient and helpful
and good company to me and each other. I will conclude by saying exactly
what I did in my last Presidents Message, which is simply, and succinctly:
It’s a Hobby
President’s AGM Report
We really are fortunate to have this little plot of land
available to use here and to have a really good bunch of members to fly
A year ago we agreed to having a bigger committee, which helped share the
responsibilities of running the club. It allowed a wide variety of opinions
and suggestions to be considered and made it easier for members to bring
their ideas and views to the committee, and for the committee to feedback to
the members. Its been proposed that this continue.
A lot of work had been done reviewing the rules, much of which was to
document the agreed arrangements we already had in place at the club. The
revised rules were distributed with your Renewal / AGM notifications along
with an invitation for you to comment. Feedback received is being taken on
board and the review will continue in coming months. Thanks to all who have
been involved in the review process.
The facilities are in good nick, we seem to have just about everything we
need. The grass has been growing like crazy and we have recently had the
strip and circle again de-thatched. The importance of having a good surface
is acknowledged and we will be arranging this de-thatching to occur
regularly – 3 to 4 times a year.
The team on the mowing roster has expanded and everyone on it has been
extremely reliable – many thanks. It takes about 90 minutes to complete the
task, a bit longer if you add cleaning up afterwards, and any extras such as
mowing around the tables. However we each only do it some 4 times a year and
there are a couple on the crew who fill in if someone is unavailable. We
will be looking into the possibility of replacing the mower soon to avoid
the cost and inconvenience of breakdowns.
We are at the beginning of trialling a second control-line circle to
accommodate the needs of this enthusiastic crew. As always, safety is
paramount and the trial includes appropriate signage and marking, and the
need to communicate with other fliers before its use.
There are four key items required to safe, workable and enjoyable sharing of
the limited space on the ground, in the air, and of the available time. They
1. Giving each other a fair go.
2. Appropriately communicating a request for your go.
3. Making sure the others around are fully aware of what you are about to
4. Making sure the simultaneous activity is not compromising safely.
In short, commonsense, communication, courtesy and cooperation are required
When it comes to being heard on the pilot line, I say to my trainees, “If
you’re not embarrassed then you haven’t called loudly enough.”
On the subject of trainees, we have had a lot of new member enquiries of
late and a lot of trainees currently on the books. We are at a stage where
we can’t really take any more on a Saturday at the moment.
I thank the membership as a whole for their contributions and friendship
over the past year. There are three groups who I would particularly like to
thank for the success of the club and for setting us up for future years.
Firstly the Committee Members, who bring their thoughts, concerns, opinions
and solutions to committee meetings and have been a conduit for
communications from and to members. Bill Osborne has chosen to stand down
from the Committee and I thank him for his valuable contributions. We
welcome Adrian Koro onto the Committee.
Secondly, people who have taken on key roles and responsibilities, of which
there are a number. At this time of the year I am particularly aware of
Michael and Douglas who are currently processing the membership renewals.
Michael’s considerable work on the website continues to add to our enjoyment
of the club and convenience and value for new and prospective members.
Thirdly, I would like to thank our new members, who have recognised the
assistance given to them by existing members, and have repaid that by
picking up tasks and giving back to the club.
To everyone, please keep up the good work. I’m looking forward to a good
year of flying.
With thanks – Ian Pullar – President.
at the AGM (July 2011)
of the reason we exist as a group is to provide guardianship for this great
little plot of land here a Bulleen Park, to enable us to fly from it, with
the added benefits of the sharing of knowledge with each other and the
camaraderie that comes from all that.
To retain our right to use the land, we need to ensure we get on with our
landlord and neighbours, by not putting them or their property, or any
member of the public at risk. Of course we also ensure the safety of
Achieving all this requires plenty of common sense, taking responsibility
for our actions and sometimes calling each other to account – and reacting
appropriately when others call us to account.
With good sense, perseverance, listening, sometimes robust discussions and a
shared vision, we have achieved lots. We have not just had another good year
of flying, we have really set ourselves well for an excellent future.
We now have an excellent set of rules and flying disciplines and an
extremely strong commitment to, and culture of, safe flying and model
We are the Doncaster AEROMODELLING Club, consisting of members who have a
RANGE of aeromodelling interests. These include: control line, chuckies, and
radio control internal combustion and electric, and scratch-built and ARF:
scale, pattern, sports, high performance, gliders, old-timers, trainer
planes, 3D and helis. Each and every model type is important and there are a
number of individuals who fly two or more different types of them.
Not seen by many of you who only fly Saturdays is the enthusiasm of the
Control Line group, who always welcome visitors from “the other side”.
Fernando and his fellow Pattern flyers recently arranged a pattern flying
event which was well organised but was treated harshly by the weather.
Your Committee is committed to supporting all facets of our aeromodelling
Because of space constraints, when times are busy a greater priority may be
given to fixed wing aircraft, but at the same time we are finding workable
methods of ensuring the heli flyers still get a go. This requires
cooperation and patience and a sense of sharing and fair play, and we are
seeing plenty of that. Although helis are “space hungry”, their flights are
generally short, in the order of 6 minutes, so have your plane in the queue
and be ready to go up as soon as they’re down.
If you think the process needs some further work bring it to the attention
of a committee member but recognizing your obligations to at all times act
as gentlemen. Likewise with any other issues you have at DAC.
A year ago, the proposal was agreed to that we renovate this clubhouse, and
we got stuck into it over the next 12 months. Today, that task has almost
been completed, with just the benchtops, window surround and some minor
hooks to go in and tidying to occur. The clubhouse is now cosy in winter and
will be cooler in summer, and is clean and workable. I also suspect we have
the best charging setup in Australia.
It has been a mammoth effort over 12 months, and I would like you to join
with me in thanking the many contributors, with main players, being Grant,
Michael, John Morrison, Colin, Anthony, Jose and Ian Slack. Thank you.
We were slightly over our financial estimate for the task but I think you’ll
agree that the result is excellent.
We have plans for possibly a mural and some framed A3 sized photos, which
can be regularly updated and which reflect the variety of our aeromodelling
endeavours, and which can be updated. We will also have an honour board
which will include the names of life members.
We are in the process of introducing the mandatory use of LiPo bags for
charging LiPo batteries at DAC. The reason for this was only partially for
the protection of the club assets. Equally or more important is that you use
these at home, so that your garage / home / loved ones are safe. We did some
tests and indications are that they give some protection, but of course you
should always have additional protection such as a smoke detector, fire
extinguisher and fire blanket, and only charge where and when safe.
Bags are $4 each. If you have taken some already, please pay ASAP. Label
then or lose them. If we run out we’ll get some in. Some bags marked DAC
should (hopefully) always be available for use if you accidently leave yours
Michael is working on updating the website, to make it more reliable. He has
recently conducted an experiment using SMS to mobiles to advise important
events such as no flying because of total fire bans, or football
competitions we received late notice of. The technology worked but the
timing was out. We apologise to those of you who were awoken in the middle
of the night to tell you of this AGM.
I ask you to join with me in thanking the DAC committee members for their
excellent contributions to the continuing evolution of the Doncaster
Aeromodellers' Club, to bringing it to where it is today, and setting it up
for a very bright future.
Finally – thank you to all members for your support, ideas, cooperation and
for they way you represent the club to visitors and neighbours and your
support for trainees. Keep up the good work and also keep contributing to
the sense of fun which exists at the Doncaster Aeromodellers' club.
at the AGM (July 2010)
It’s been a good year.
Our finances are healthy. Our facilities are excellent – we have location;
good field; a good mower; shelters; clubhouse; charging bars; kitchen – with
fridge, boiling water and tea, coffee, milk and sugar.
Club nights have been reasonably well attended, with excellent show & tell
exhibits, and lots of pizza and our Christmas party was a heap of fun.
The Saturday sausage sizzles (which are self-funded, ie the club does not
pay for these) are enjoyed.
In fixed wing we have Electric, Internal Combustion RC and Internal
Combustion Control-Line. We also have a growing number of heli flyers.
In each of these groups there is a mine of information and an enormous
amount of sharing of knowledge and support.
Flying skills are continuing to improve – a number of bronze and gold wings
were attained in both fixed wing and heli. Or club is well represented in
and does well in competitions.
We have web-cam, an excellent website, access to the weather radar.
We don’t a have a newsletter, because we’re too busy flying or building (or
repairing) or busy with our home and work lives. However the website’s On
The Weekend tab provides excellent updates and we’ve saved a fortune on
newsletter postage and production costs, and work.
DAC members particularly enjoy sitting around and chatting and the general
camaraderie. I really celebrate that.
Looking ahead – I envisage more of the same. The planned insulation and
lining of the clubhouse, which will make it warmer in winter and cooler in
summer and better for club nights. There are also plans to move the control
line circle some 4 metres south-east, to increase safety.
That the club had been doing so well is because of the input, contributions
and cooperation of the members and excellent work by the committee, and
everyone who picks up the odd jobs around the place, particularly those who
do the mowing on cold mornings.
I firstly thank Michael (Webmaster and Registrar (and general magician)),
Doug (Treasurer), and Allan (Secretary), who have really worked hard to make
the official things all work seamlessly.
I also thank Cliff (Vice president), Colin, David G, David L, Grant, Bill
and Fernando for their contributions and support.
Fernando is retiring from the Committee after many years of service,
including as newsletter editor and merchandise salesman, and on behalf of
myself, the Committee and all Members, many thanks Fernando for you work
over that time.
Long time flyer Richard Fraser has been nominated for Committee and we look
forward to his valuable input.
As I said, it’s been a good year – and, with your contributions and support,
I’m looking forward to the DAC continuing to be a terrific and extremely
Ian Pullar – President.
I’ve not written since our AGM – which was a good night except I
prattled on a bit long. Our committee is unchanged except that James Taylor
has stepped down, with Allan Swift is taking on the role of Secretary, and
Bill Osborne coming on board. We’re in need of someone to take on
newsletter editorship and also someone willing to organise better weather.
The following is a slightly shortened edition
of my AGM report, and if you promise to make lots of contributions to the
newsletter, next year I promise to keep my report much shorter. ;-)
It’s been a good year, because of the
contributions of so many. Special thanks go ……
To all flyers and non-flyers –
for doing their bit to keep things safe, sharing the jobs, getting along,
not whingeing and contributing to the camaraderie
The put-er-out-er-ers – who put
out the windsock, cones and transmitter pound before the flying begins, and
the put-er-in-er-ers – who put everything back at the end of the day
The cleaner-up-er-ers – who’ve
kept the fridge, kitchen, clubhouse and surrounds in good order
The fridge stockers – who make
sure there is milk, tea coffee and sugar
The donors – for all the things
they donate to the club, particularly Saj who donated a TV and accessories
The ideas contributors – who’ve
thought of something and shared it
The doers and fixers – who see
something that needs doing, fixing or improving – or who are asked to attack
a job, and who make it happen. I make particular mention of Grant – thanks
for the sign, the gravel that’s filled the muddy patches, for fixing the
lock and door and lots of other things, Nik – for the lettering on the sign,
and Allan, for getting the model restraints, and who recently represented us
at the VMAA meeting, and to those who assisted with the cleanup after the
installation of the shelters
live-close-by-and-seem-to-be-called-on-regularly-ers – special thanks to Ian
Slack and Marc for their assistance when the shelters were being built.
The greeters – who’ve greeted
and shown around visitors and potential members.
The sharers and show-and-tell-ers
– who bring new gear, experiences and experiments to the club to so others
can gain from their learning
The enquirers – who ASK if they
don’t know – and generate much discussion so the end result is a good one
and shared by many
The jokesters – those who
contribute to the FUN of being a member of DAC
The photographers – who take
pictures for the web and the newsletter, especially Viv (Ned’s dad),
Michael, Cliff and Darren.
The newsletter contributors –
who provide a variety of great articles and hints.
The labellers – who LABEL their
gear, so if left in the shed we can ring and tell them
The non-labellers, who DON’T
label their gear – who I presume are wanting to give me the gear they left
in the shed
The improvers – those who
strive to improve their own flying skills
The encouragers – who encourage
others in all aspects of their flying and building
The mentors – who’ve helped
with the training in big ways and small
The testers – who’ve given
their time to ensure that trainees have reached an appropriate standard
before they can fly solo, and who do the paperwork so it all gets registered
The representatives – who
represent our club at events and meetings away from DAC
The Control Line team – who are
always right for a chat, are welcoming to guests and those making enquiries,
and who maintain a high standard of safety, flying, mentoring,
encouragement. I hope they get good use out of their new gift
The mowing team – who brave
cold mornings to ensure the field and surrounds are in tip-top shape and
looking excellent, and ensure the mower and gear is put away clean and the
ignition turned off (usually) so it won’t flatten the battery. The team
consists of Nik, Greg Sleeth, Saj, Allan Swift, Patrick, and Grant, plus
Cliff who also arranges the petrol purchasing and maintenance, and me
By no means least, past members
of committee who’ve been called upon for their wisdom
On behalf of myself and all
members, I thank the current committee.
Cliff – Vice President. Cliff
and I have been I constant communication throughout the year and I thank him
for his great assistance and support. Many thanks also for his excellent
mentoring and testing of new flyers and mowing coordination, and meeting
set-up and catering. I also wish him well on his retirement.
James Taylor – Secretary – who
kept the minutes up to date and the papers in order, logged the
correspondence, and helped with ideas and guidance to ensure we have done
things according to the rules and regulations. James has a busy year ahead
of him, with a new baby and work and other commitments and so is taking a
break from the club and his membership of the Committee ceased 30 June.
Missing you already James – come back soon.
Douglas Rochlin – our Treasurer
– beavering hard behind the scenes, banking, paying out, balancing and
ensuring investments are earning their best and we get our tax deductions
Michael Best – Registrar, Web
designer and coordinator, Assistant Editor, newsletter and notice folder,
stamp-licker and sender-out-er-er, trainer, mentor, maintainer of the
helipad and the form supply, innovator, webcam developer, doer and person
who has spent the last 2 years suffering James’ and my senses of humour.
Allan Swift – who has willingly
taken on the role as Acting Secretary, represented us at the VMAA meeting,
and coordinated the purchase of the model restraints.
David Gibbs – a Past President
– who continues provide great contributions to the club and who has been a
great support for me.
Grant – who is always getting
things around the club done – contributes to the training, shares in the
responsibilities of keeping the club running and also contributes to the
David Law – who brings to the
club and the committee his passion for DAC, and modelling and flying and is
a valuable contributor to the Committee.
Fernando – who has until
recently been coordinating the merchandise (jackets, beanies, caps and
shirts) and brings both experience and a mischievous sense of humour.
Colin – who is one of those
doing an excellent job with the testing and who inspires others with his
scratch-built models and his general enthusiasm for the hobby..
Each of the committee members brings to the
Committee their enthusiasm, ideas, and they all know how to speak their mind
but also to listen.
Their diversity has allowed may voices and
points of view to be heard and bounced around. The result is a great club
accommodating a variety of models, a variety of people and which has
prospects for an excellent future.
I’d also like to thank our near neighbours,
the Yarra Bowmen and Carey of their good neighbourliness and a very big
thanks to the good people at Manningham City Council, who’ve kept the
surrounds mown and in good order and who contributed so much to our
shelters. Special thanks to the VMAA Committee who recently approved a
grant towards our shelters and who administer our bronze wings and are our
conduit to the MAAA.
Finally, thanks to the volunteers at the MAAA
for their work, including coordinating the insurance and provide guidance
and papers on flight testing and numerous technical papers such the Manual
Of Procedures (MOP) on 2.4GHz equipment
I believe the recipe for a healthy flying
club are equal measures of
Throw in a healthy sense of fun, share
generously and accept that that none of us is perfect and we are all
continuing to learn. With all this – strive towards creating a place where
we can continue to move forward, to enjoy great company and great
As I said, it’s been a great year. I’m
looking forward to the coming year being even better. I invite you to do
you bit to make it so.
Fly safe and fly often – and keep
contributing to and enjoying DAC
What happened to global warming? All of a sudden I’m cold
and I don’t like it.
Great meeting in April. We started the meeting outside with
a discussion about fire fighting equipment and Grant demonstrating the
rechargeable water extinguisher. We then went inside and quickly went
through the formal stuff, including that we agree to give $1000 to the Red
Cross Bushfire Appeal (since done), then on to presentations – being Shane
Orchard’s scale Wright brothers’ military model, and Saj’s Yak – which led
to with some excellent discussion about moving up to bigger electric planes
and best battery types for powering receivers and transmitters. As the
pizzas and garlic bread arrived, we went outside for some night flying by
Cliff, Michael B and Xerxes.
Easter treated us well, with excellent weather and great
Shelters continue to progress - there are a large number of
steps in this but we’re getting there. A hole has appeared to the east of
the shed and at time of writing we are seeking to have this filled. (It
could be a bunker.) The broadleaf weed is back and we’ll be asking the
council to spray this. We recently received a call from an advertising
agency which used our field to film a Suzuki commercial. Michael B has been
working on a couple of projects and I anticipate an update on Heli flying
David Law brought home two first place trophies from the
Nationals at Cootamundra with his Vampire jet and his Spitfire. Well done
David - we look forward to hearing more about this.
We didn’t go into the VMAA trophy this year, but understand
it was closely contested by the four teams with the results being VARMS 22
points, Northern 21 points, P & DARCS 20 points and La Trobe 19 points.
We have some new DAC jackets in stock – they’re warm and they
look great. $80. We may do another run soon, so if what we have doesn’t
fit you, (several L’s and one XL) see me and get your order in.
We are currently awaiting advice of the MAAA insurance
charges before issuing Membership Renewal Notices. Keep an eye out for this
and start saving your pennies because no renewal = no insurance = no
flying. NO exceptions.
There are a lot of people about on the weekends and we have
to ensure we continue with our safe flying practices and have all our gear
in tip-top shape.
See you at our next meeting on 18 May. If the weather is
fine we might try a little more night flying.
Special thanks to Stephen Barrow for his work on this month’s
Fly safe – fly
often – Ian P
What a summer! Hot, windy dry,
and for some folk disastrous.
The newsletter -
Firstly, this newsletter isn’t suffering from the drought – but Fernando has
had to drop his commitment to the newsletter editor’s job because of work
obligations. MANY thanks Fernando for your remarkable efforts on the
newsletter – the results were excellent. In his absence, it’s up to
everyone else to contribute articles, pics and hints so the newsletter
continues to benefit all members.
The Field - To stop the field
from becoming a complete dustbowl we have not mowed for some time, in the
hope that there might be some life left under those yellow tufts – which
might again grow with the return of the rain.
The Fridge - The ants found it
so hot they tried to move into the fridge – through the failing door seals.
By good fortune this coincided with the availability of a cheap replacement,
which now keeps our milk cold, and water-bottles iced for hot days.
The Flying – No flying on Total Fire Ban Days - In view of the dryness of the field and surrounds and of
the potential for disaster and our duty of care to our landlords, neighbours
and the public in general, no flying is currently allowed on Total Fire Ban
days. This includes days / times where the danger appears to have passed
but the Total Fire Ban remains. Many country clubs have this rule in place
and VARMS has also recently introduced. it.
There was a fire a couple of kilometres north of our field,
(not caused by us) but fortunately a southerly wind was blowing and the fire
was quickly extinguished by the authorities.
Black Saturday really was atrocious. I had to deliver
something at the field and while there I measured the temperature of the
carpark tarmac at 60 degrees. When my brushless motors get to that
temperature I usually get concerned!
The Fires - Of course we only
had to cope with the inconvenience and some discomfort. Many folk, as you
know, lost houses, gear, loved ones or their lives.
There is a school of thought that the world works better if
those who are lucky help those who are not so lucky. On that theme, it was
proposed at our recent Committee meeting that we might make a donation to
the bushfire appeal. The amount of $1000 to the Red Cross bushfire fund was
suggested as the recipient. We will take this proposal to the coming club
meeting on Monday 16/3 and make a decision there.
If you can’t be at our 16/3 meeting and wish to express an
opinion, please contact me, or
telephone 0425 831 572.
VMAA trophy – we’re trying to
gauge interest in our participation in this event this year, it’s on 18
&19/4 at the State Field. Please contact me ASAP if interested.
Free flight models -
clarification of DAC requirement – not to be flown when radio control or
control line models are in the air due to safety concerns over lack of
controllability of models (including but not limited to ‘chuckies’ and
rubber powered free flight models). At all times, free flight models are to
be used with due caution and respect for other members’ equipment. Many
thanks for your cooperation on this.
Next Meeting - Monday 16/3 - In
addition to discussing the proposed donation, there’ll be show and tell and
Pizzas and ….
Night flying! - Yep – night
flying at the meeting. See notice in this newsletter. And BRING A TORCH to
help light up planes doing “spotlight flying”.
Fly safe and fly often
Ahh Summer! Lots of flights and lots of camaraderie.
Most important – the Christmas BBQ on Sunday 14th December. ALL members and
their families are invited to attend. LOTS of food and LOTS of different
models – a combination of both the Saturday and Sunday crews – with lots of
The field has been sprayed with a broadleaf weed killer and it’s taken
effect. I’m looking forward to watching the grass grow to take its place.
The shelter project is progressing, with Council having arranged power cable
and water-pipe locating and soil testing.
I’ve finally built my Multiplex Blizzard and it’s great. 1.37 metre
“hotliner” glider – or perhaps “warmliner” if you believe the threads. I
have attached a pair of taped-on aluminium flaps and landing is a doddle.
Setting it up with a new receiver with failsafe option – reminded me to
remind everyone that failsafe only works if you set it up. In my case it’s
no throttle, part flaps and elevator compensation.
From all of the DAC Committee, all the very best to everyone for the festive
Fly safe and fly often
The forecast was for a cool windy Saturday and Michael and I both had the
same thought. With little prospect of any good flying, today would be a
good day to get the unsuspecting lads who turn up to help lay the concrete
pavers around the clubhouse forecourt.
To cut a long story short – the plan worked. I picked up a couple of pairs
of gloves and 30 heavy pavers (the joys of owning a station wagon) and
within two hours the job was done. Many thanks to all who contributed to
the work and to those who supervised and others who admired our work.
Thanks also to the trainees who recently “volunteered” to give the shed a
sweep and a de-cobweb recently, and thanks for willingly and cheerfully
taking on this task.
Progress is being made arranging the shelters in the pits and the control
line area. These things take time.
We’ve asked the council to spray out the broadleaf weed and they’re expected
to be on to it soon. Hopefully we’ll get some spring rain to allow the
grass to grow through in its place. Thanks also to Saj and Allan for
joining the mowing roster. Special thanks to Anthony for his work on the
roster for a considerable period.
Congratulations to Alex Zattelman, John Wessel and Michael Best on attaining
their helicopter bronze wings* on a very windy day, and special thanks to
Lindsay Henderson for doing the testing.
(* Bronze wings in heli? Shouldn’t that be bronze rotor-blades?)
Daylight savings is now here – which means internal combustion models may be
flown from the earlier time of 10am on Sundays.
A reminder that non-members may only fly at DAC a couple of times in a year;
they must have MAAA insurance coverage and must fly under the mentorship of
an experienced DAC club member. New flyers (who are not yet insured) may
fly only a couple of times and under the direct “traineeship” of an
experienced DAC member.
If you see something that’s amiss – take action – and inform someone on the
committee. If you come across a non-member flying at the DAC field, please
TELL me (my mobile number is in the club room); preferably with their car
Fly often – fly safe – and have fun. And remember to slip, slop and slap –
sunscreen is provided.
Cheers – Ian Pullar
SPRING – some warmth – longer daylight hours
– thermals – and magpies! Welcome back to some good flying weather.
Looking forward to some relaxing (and safe) flying and camaraderie.
We’re continuing to progress in respect of
the shelters – but there are steps still to be taken.
Heli flyers are now out in force and you’ll
note an upcoming opportunity to be tested for Bronze Wings.
The Heli Pad is ONLY for hovering practice,
and if the wind allows, please stand at the south west corner, ie closest to
the toilet block. For more adventurous flying:
A number of pilots are now
doing the above and it’s working well, with folk cooperating and happy to
accommodate each other’s different flying needs. If you have any concerns
or suggestions, speak to me or any of your committee members. If the sky is
busy, arrange between yourselves mutually convenient timeslots for different
On another matter, I have a VERY big concern
about non-members flying at our field, either when no-one is about, or when
members are present.
Genuine trainees can attend and fly under a
mentor TWICE in a year, so they get to check us out before deciding whether
or not to join us.
Members of other clubs (and thus insured with
MAAA) who are flying as a guest and WITH a DAC member and UNDER THEIR
GUIDANCE may fly TWICE in a year with us and must complete the Visitor’s
book. They may NOT fly alone.
In the mornings particularly, non members are
flying alone or beside DAC members. This is against our rules, against
council and insurance requirements. To allow it to happen puts us ALL AT
RISK OF LOSING THE CLUB, and thus you are not doing yourself or your fellow
club members any favours by not doing something about it.
You may have the opportunity to quietly and
in a friendly fashion advise the offender that they can’t fly if contrary to
the above, and if you can then please do so – and tell me/a committee member
too. However I recognise this is not always possible or comfortable, and we
are not requiring you to do so.
HOWEVER – we ask that you INFORM ME OR ANYONE
ON THE COMMITTEE (your confidentially will be respected) so we can TAKE
ACTION TO PROTECT US FROM POTENTIALLY LOSING THE CLUB. The info that will
assist includes: date; time; who (if known); what was flown; description of
person / plane / car and car rego.
I will be very disappointed (upset*) if folk
allow this to continue without reporting it and this may be regarded as
conduct prejudicial to the interests of the club. (*I figure you’d better
know my feelings on this BEFORE an event, because you’ll certainly know
about them AFTER one.)
I trust you will all appreciate the
importance of the above and that we can all count on your support and
I trust you also appreciate the importance of
being on good terms with our neighbours. If you have any concerns or are
not sure to do in any situation, RING me. My number is on the clubhouse.
Fly safe – and fly
often. Cheers – Ian Pullar. 0425 831 572
21 July 2008)
It’s been an interesting year.
When I was asked 12 months ago if I would stand for President, I agreed, so
long as the incoming committee and former committee members would assist me.
They said they would – and they have.
Graham Kay, our Treasurer, left the Committee late this year to head off
travelling. He’s done a great job. Douglas Rochlin stepped in as Treasurer –
coinciding with starting a new job, the rush of membership renewals and
preparing the end of year figures.
Colin Kahn is stepping down as Secretary. Regularly we would leave meetings
and discover the minutes had been typed up and emailed to us that night –
ready for us to read when we turned our computers on next morning. Colin has
agreed to nomination as an ordinary committee member.
Ian Slack has decided to take a break, from both his position as Membership
Registrar and also from the Committee. Ian has done an exceptional job as
Registrar, and also brought an enormous amount of experience wisdom to the
Committee – as well as hosting many Committee Meetings.
To all of the above, I say, on behalf myself and all members – many many
thanks for your contributions.
Many thanks also to the other members of the Committee, for your
contributions to the club, by way of getting things done, your observations,
input, opinions and support.
I look forward to club members continuing to enjoy the camaraderie of the
club, to contribute and to enjoy the facilities.
I’m also looking forward to the continued improvement in everyone’s flying
skills and to a lot of safe flying.
Ian Pullar – President.
A year ago I was asked if I’d accept the nomination for
President. I was surprised – and very nervous about accepting. I said to
the lads I would accept, providing they continued to bring their experience,
wisdom and contributions to the committee to ensure everything runs
smoothly. They said they would and have been true to that promise.
What I wanted in a
club was an excellent flying venue, good facilities, to be able to fly in
safety, and with a fun, friendly and supportive group of fellow fliers. I
soon discovered that this is what others wanted too – and I believe we’ve
The success of the
club can be attributed to the contributions of:
• all members – flying safely and promoting safe flying –
keeping the club facilities clean and the field mown – supporting each
other in improving skills and with advice on equipment selection,
maintenance, repair and fault analysis PLUS – telling the committee
their ideas and concerns;
• those who contribute to training and testing;
• the committee members who take this all in and bring it
and their own wisdom to the running of the club; and
• those on the committee doing the paperwork, computer
work, organising and external liaison required to keep the club
operating effectively, efficiently and with minimum fuss.
I’m not into
politics – I’m into planes, or, more correctly, flying planes. (I have 2
kits in the garage ready to build, and 2 wacky (and hopefully workable)
ideas for novelty planes. But I have so much fun at the field flying and
yakking, I have little time for building.) Minimum fuss means more flying.
It really is the way to go.
I’m looking forward
to the club continuing to run smoothly and easily – with your assistance.
All committee positions are declared vacant and some committee members have
indicated they will not be re-standing.
I encourage (request
– appeal for – implore) members to continue their contributions and to also
consider taking their turn on the committee to keep the club bubbling
Nearly forgot to
mention – club fees now due. Follow instructions on form WELL BEFORE 1/7.
No renewal = no insurance = no flying. Forms/money NOT accepted at field –
(’cos that’s our flying field, not our office). Cheers – Ian Pullar
Hi folks – some important
info this month. Some of you will already have had some of this info
to you because of its urgency.
WEEKDAY FLYING – ISSUES –
received a complaint early May from Carey about a low flying and noisy
electric plane flying above their playing fields. Not known if the pilot
was a DAC member. (a) Absolutely no flying outside the field parameters on
school days – important that this not be allowed to happen. (b) Save your
less-quiet electric planes for more appropriate times. Electric pusher
planes flown fast and ducted fans can really make a racket. Potential risk
– goodbye field.
2.4Ghz EQUIPMENT –
there have been
some recent queries re this and I thank all who have been in communication
with me – with varying points of view. I am aware some folk are considering
purchasing equipment and, quite reasonably, don’t want to then find they
can’t use it at DAC.
Last year the DAC committee
put in place some rules (click
here) around the use of 2.4Ghz gear, and these have not changed.
Let’s now re-look at why these were determined, and how they apply.
BACKGROUND: 2.4Ghz equipment
came on the market towards the end of 2006 (I think) being a new technology
with little info available about its reliability, resistance to interference
Our governing body, the MAAA,
had their technical people evaluate the equipment and establish its
parameters – and mid 2007 put these into their Manual Of Procedures (MOP).
In September 07 the DAC
committee determined a policy (which is on the DAC website, on the club
noticeboard and is summarised on the notice beside the frequency keyboard)
– which included the following:
2.4Ghz equipment at DAC] excludes the
“Spectrum DX6” sets (DSM technology) and, as stated, other equipment
which is generally regarded as being only suitable for “Park Flyers”,
Be aware that equipment
purchased directly from overseas (or from some Australian importers) may
appear to be the same as approved sets but if it
does not have the “C-Tick” then it is not allowed.
Let’s start by looking at
requirement. The C-Tick shows the importer has supplied sufficient info to
the Australian certification authorities to have the gear they’re importing
certified as meeting certain Australian specifications. The MAAA state
there can be a problem with gear sold from overseas – as it may look the
same but the internals may differ – and have warned clubs off allowing
non-C-Tick gear being used at their fields as it may not meed Australian
standards and thus may not be covered by MAAA insurance.
Many clubs, DAC included,
have chosen to disallow non-C-Tick equipment as it is not prepared to put
its future existence in jeopardy when the approved gear is readily available
in Australia. Whilst it is acknowledged that some of the overseas sourced
gear can be cheaper, the DAC committee is not prepared to put club assets /
access to our field at risk.
Now lets look at “Park
Flyer” gear. The early model Spectrum DX6 gear, which used “DSM”
technology, was found to only have sufficient range for “park flyer”
planes. The later DSM2 technology, which was within the Spectrum DX7 and,
released a little later the DX6i was regarded as having “full range”
and so is allowed to be used.
HOWEVER – some DSM2
RECEIVERS (including the single unit models AR6100E, AR6100 and AR6300) ARE
ONLY CLASSED BY THEIR OWN MANUFACTURERS AS BEING FOR PARK FLYERS.
There are also currently certain Futaba FAAST (R616FFM) and XtremeLink
(2.4GHz 6 channel) receivers which are “park flyer” only. This list will no
doubt constantly change – but the DAC rules still apply.
In setting the rules, the
DAC committee considered the implications of allowing the use of this
limited-range gear within the very tight parameters of our field – and
bearing in mind the implications of planes crashing off our field, into
school or other public areas – and this risks of injury or a backlash
causing us to lose access to our field – and disallowed it.
So what does this mean?
NO non-C-Tick TRANSMITTERS
can be used at DAC.
NO PARK FLYER 2.4Ghz
TRANSMITTERS OR RECEIVERS
can be used at DAC.
I am aware some folk have
been using Park Flyer gear at long range – and have no problems with it –
however the range of all radio gear can be affected by, individually or in
how appropriately it is
mounted in the plane;
the attitude of the
plane and receiver at any given time in relation to the transmitter;
the quality of the
receiver (which the manufacturers themselves acknowledging that park
flyer receivers have less reception reliability); and
other signals in the
area at the time.
A number of things above the
pilot (and certainly the DAC committee) can have no control over – and this
is exacerbated by the choice of gear – and thus to minimise risk the DAC
committee maintains this rule that park flyer 2.4Ghz receivers cannot be
used, at DAC.
A healthy club is one where
members communicate – so discuss any queries or concerns with your
SHOT DOWN –
Doug and I were flying
his 2.5 metre Fomet (giant Komet) on Sat 11/5 and were shot down by some
young blokes trying a new plane they had bought on the internet – on the
oval immediately to the north. Same frequency. Fortunately not a lot of
damage to Doug’s plane. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DOING THIS – IMMEDIATELY TELL
DAC FLIERS so they don’t get shot down like we were. And maintain cordial
relations with the “offenders” – they usually don’t know any better. Much
can be gained from good relations. Much can be lost (including vandalism
and deliberate radio interference and loss of the field) from bad relations.
MEMBERS OF OTHER CLUBS
(who therefore have MAAA Insurance) may visit twice in a year, under the
guidance of an experienced DAC member without joining DAC.
OTHER FLIERS WHO ARE NOT
MEMBERS OF OTHER CLUBS
may only fly at DAC as genuine “trainees”, under the direct training of an
experienced member, and for a couple of times only, to give them an
opportunity to see how they fit in and whether they would like to take up
the hobby / join. They are NOT permitted to continue flying without
joining, even if training is continuing. The main reason for this rule is
the insurance risk. Members are not permitted to allow this to occur as it
puts our continued use of the field at risk.
BEST TIME TO JOIN DAC
– have your friends join from 1 July and take advantage of a full year’s
– Graham Kay is off travelling and Douglas Rochlin (click
agreed to take on the role. Many thanks to Graham for his excellent work
and for Douglas for stepping in.
– occurring for internal combustion on Sundays and Electric on Saturdays
here). Congratulations to Ned (aged 11) on attaining Bronze Wings
(basic electric). As always – members with bronze wings on basic planes
MUST be mentored when moving on to other craft.
At the end of his first day,
my latest trainee (aged 13) was practicing takeoffs and landings, and on
second day was doing landings in a stiff breeze. However I know that old
age and treachery will defeat youth and skill any day, so I’m not concerned.
Looking forward to members
obtaining HELI BRONZE WINGS (click
over coming months.
– quotes obtained – we’ve put in a request to Manningham Council for these
to be built –so keep your fingers crossed.
– we have grass!! Only a few bare patches now and the field is pretty
level. Markers in place to assist strip mowing alignment (click
narrower than before. Heli Pad, with 10 metre markers, now also being
mowed. Any concerns, speak up.
– if you haven’t seen it, look at the ongoing evolution of DAC web site.
Look at “On
the Weekend” for great pics. Videos there too, Thanks to Michael and
also contributing photographers, particularly Viv.
VIEWING THIS NEWSLETTER IN
– many members no longer receive hard copies of newsletter, they simply
receive email notification of its availability on the web. This means they
get to see it sooner, the pictures are in colour, it saves trees, and it
saves the club a fortune, enabling us to keep our fees down.
See you on the field – and
also at the AGM.
Fly often – and fly safe –
Welcome to all new members and congratulations to those who
have recently attained their
Bronze Wings. We’re
looking forward to more of our heli fliers getting their Bronze Wings soon
The local sporting clubs are not allowed to use their own sports grounds for
practice as they may be damaged and made unsuitable for play when the season
commences. As part of our policy of being good neighbours and a responsible
community minded group, we have granted permission for the F.C. Bulleen
Lions soccer club to use area surrounding the strip, circuit and pits from
6:00pm to 7:30pm on Monday, Wednesday and Friday during March 08. No flying
is to occur at these times, or when any member of the public is using our
grounds. This permission period may be extended depending on conditions, and
this seems likely. For more info, see notices on the club door and in the
We’re currently getting quotes on the installation of carport-style shading
in the pits area and south west of the control line circle, and are in
communication with council seeking approval for their erection. Keep your
Following discussions at our February meeting, Grant has painted lines on
the concrete to assist in keeping the doorway clear of chairs. This has
generated much amusing discussion, such as members pondering whether a
chair-leg ON the line is IN or OUT, etc etc. Thanks Grant – and thanks too
to all who’ve contributed to the fun.
The old Spectrum DX6 continues to not be allowed to be used at DAC because
it is standard DSM technology and considered suitable for park flyers only,
however the new DX6i uses DSM2 technology and thus is
allowed to be
used at DAC, provided of course that it has the
If you’re thinking of one of these, consider the package that includes a
helicopter, battery, charger etc etc. Contact you local hobby shop.
Our most serious issue recently was one Saturday a few weeks ago we ran out
of sugar – and if that’s all there is then that says something about the
great contribution everyone is making. Thanks everyone. I’m pleased to
advise sugar has since been purchased.
We’re currently getting ready for the
VMAA trophy, seeking to be
unbeaten for our 9th year. It really is more of a carnival than a
competition and you are all encouraged to come down to P & DARCS field, Wenn
Rd, Cardinia on Saturday 12 and Sunday 13 April to support the DAC team and
enjoy yourselves. See www.vmaa.com.au
for more details and a map of how to get there.
Learn lots, have fun, fly safe and fly often. Ian Pullar
Soccer Club Use of field, Mon Wed Fri nights during
March (March 2008)
Dear DAC member.
As occurred last year, local sporting clubs are unable to use their grounds
for practice because of the drought, to preserve them until the “wet” season
and the start of their playing season.
As also occurred last year, we have been approached by a soccer club for the
use of our grounds at certain times. We have agreed to this, as part of our
policy of being good neighbours and a responsible community minded group.
We have granted permission for the F.C. Bulleen Lions soccer club
to use the field from 6:00pm to 7:30PM on Monday, Wednesday and Friday
nights during March 08. This may be extended depending on
conditions. Conditions of use include that they keep off the strip, the
control line circle and out of the pits, and they take responsibility for
any damage caused.
No flying is to occur at these times.
There is a possibility that others may use the field for practice at other
times, without apparent authority to do so. Absolutely no flying is to occur
while any person is on the field, even if they are not authorised to be
If you do notice apparent organised use of the field at other times, PLEASE
CONTACT ME (0425 831 572) and I will contact the Council as required. If you
happen to casually establish what club they are with that may be helpful
however I am NOT asking you to do this, nor to take on the “policeman’s”
role and try to shoo them off. Please remember that we must at all times
maintain good relations with the public. If someone seeks my contact
details, they are on the mowing roster on the notice board and the fridge in
Many thanks for you cooperation and assistance.
Doncaster Aeromodellers’ Club
There have been a number of things happening of late:
• Your committee members have been contributing in many ways to keep the
club bubbling along, mentoring and keeping bookwork & finances up to date.
Many thanks gents.
• Our web site has been revised and is looking great – well done Michael.
• We’ve set Sunday 9/12 as the date for our Christmas gathering at the club.
• We’re encouraging members to get their newsletters via email – to save
trees, production and postage costs – and to see those great photos in
• We’re in communication with the council regarding possibly flattening the
strip and control line circle, and have made preliminary enquiries regarding
the building of some solid roof shade structures for the pits and control
• Some 3 flyers attained their Bronze Wings – congratulations to you and
thanks to those who encouraged, instructed and tested them.
• We have some 5 new members on board – a big welcome to you all.
• Patrick K has become a member of the elite “Joy Ride” brigade by joining
the mowing roster – thanks Patrick. Special thanks to Bill O, who recently
retired from this role, for his contribution over a considerable period.
Thanks also to all of our other volunteers.
• The mower had a visit to the Mower doctor and has been proclaimed healthy
– and ready for at least one additional volunteer (Please contact Cliff or
• We have 10 new hooks for “frequency” keys for 2.4GHz sets.
• Our Members have been in competitions and very successful – here and
overseas – more info at our club meeting – on Monday 19/11.
• Daylight savings started and Internal Combustion lads can now start
earlier on Sundays.
• There’s been lots of flying – by lots of members – with a huge range of
There are many ways members can contribute and they all help to make DAC
• Keeping the grounds, kitchen and clubhouse clean – and emptying the
• Using and emptying and the ashtray tin.
• Keeping the Charger bench and tables uncluttered and being able to be
• Mentoring newer members – in gear and plane selection, set-up, safety and
• Setting a good example in safe flying and maintaining wide safety
• Ensuring an excellent relationship with the public and our neighbours.
• Simply coming along and sharing the joy of flying, the things that you’ve
learned and the camaraderie of the group.
If you are leaving the field and you have a key – check that those behind
have one. If not, lock the clubrooms. If you find yourself last there
without a key, RING someone, even if it has to be from home. Phone numbers
are on the notice board on the mowing roster.
Finally - a special note to all new members – and to not so new members who
are trying out new gear. It is a club requirement that all new planes are
checked over by an experienced member, to ensure they are airworthy and you
must not fly planes which are beyond your current abilities. This is to
ensure everyone’s safety and to avoid crashes – particularly in neighbouring
properties, which could put at risk our ongoing use of the field.
This really is important – so if you need assistance – ASK, and if you see
someone who appears to need assistance – OFFER. It is EVERYONE’S
responsibility to ensure we retain the use of our field – no excuses.
(Safety – Think it – Talk it – Fly it.)
Cheers – Ian Pullar
Spring has sprung, and with it
comes warmer weather, longer days, magpies, hayfever and, when daylight saving
starts on 28 October, earlier starts for Sunday Internal Combustion fliers.
The warm weather also brings
out the public, who sometimes creep into the “no go” areas for the public on the
field. We need to again use the signs appropriately. Please use them. One has
a rope on it to create a barrier, stretching from the north west corner of the
pits – to extend north.
The public’s safety is
important – and so is our relationship with them – even if they are in the wrong
place or uncooperative. It is IMPERATIVE we “be nice” to them – or we bring the
club into disrepute, and put our access to our field at risk or provoke
We have approved the use of certain 2.4ghz equipment. Click
for details. This matter was first considered a year ago and consideration
deferred for 12 months – which we believe was an excellent decision. Since then
the technology has improved to now meet the demands of the DAC field with its
tight boundaries and closeness to neighbours and the MAAA has only recently
completed and investigation of the issues and produced a Manual Of Procedures
(MOP) on the technology.
There are opportunities open
for members to experience the joy of driving a motorised cart around the field.
(David G said that sounded much better than we need more members on the mowing
roster.) A great opportunity to give back to the club which gives you great
facilities, and it is very little effort. See Cliff or me please.
Fly safe – and fly often. See
you at the field or at the 17/9 meeting.
Message (July 2007)
At time of
writing, our 2007 Annual General Meeting has just been held and I have been
given the honour of taking on the role of President.
to outgoing president Cliff McIver and to retiring committee members Dennis
Travassaros and Anthony Peate for their past contributions.
committee consists of: Ian Pullar (President), Cliff McIver (Vice President),
Colin Kahn (Secretary), Graham Kay (Treasurer), Ian Slack (Registrar), Fernando
Monge (Newsletter), Michael Best (Webmaster) and committee members David Gibbs,
Grant Collins, David Law and, new to the committee, James Taylor.
We are very
fortunate to have access to our field in what is virtually inner-city Melbourne
and to have an excellent club room and associated facilities.
Our main aim,
as in the past, will be to ensure continued access to these, through maintaining
safety standards and cooperation with local council, our neighbours and the
community in general.
We will also
be looking at maintenance and possible improvements to our field and club
support and a whole lot of fun, are also essential ingredients.
A healthy club
is one in which people communicate and listen, recognising that there is usually
a range of views on any topic – and that’s what makes it interesting.
To members I
say – enjoy the variety and don’t just think About what your club can do for
you, but also what you can do for your club.
new members – come down and have a chat, meet the members, see what sorts of
planes are flown and learn what is the most appropriate gear for beginners.
There is a learning process (it’s not quite as easy as it looks) and you’ll need
a club member to mentor you.
If you have
any questions, suggestions, requests or concerns – speak to me or anyone on the
Fly often and
Cheers – Ian